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God’s Word The Bible Proven Un-Changeable by the Quran:
Muhammad (pbuh) in reciting The Quran says that it (the Quran) is the Word of God, it cannot be wrong it cannot be changed.
"None can change His words:" (sura 6: 115).
Sura 6:115 in three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
YUSUFALI: The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.
PICKTHAL: Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. There is naught that can change His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.
SHAKIR: And the word of your Lord has been accomplished truly and justly; there is none who can change His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
"no change can there be in the words of Allah." (sura 10: 64)
If we accept that this is true, then we must also accept that the following statement is true.
Sura 10:64 three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
YUSUFALI: Say: "Of your 'partners', can any originate creation and repeat it?" Say: "It is Allah Who originates creation and repeats it: then how are ye deluded away (from the truth)?"
PICKTHAL: Say: Is there of your partners (whom ye ascribe unto Allah) one that produceth Creation and then reproduceth it? Say: Allah produceth Creation, then reproduceth it. How then, are ye misled!
SHAKIR: Say: Is there any one among your associates who can bring into existence the creation in the first instance, then reproduce it? Say: Allah brings the creation into existence, then He reproduces it; how are you then turned away?
But consider:
(Sura 4: 163)
"We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms,"
Sura 4:163 three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
YUSUFALI: We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms.
PICKTHAL: Lo! We inspire thee as We inspired Noah and the prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as We imparted unto David the Psalms;
SHAKIR: Surely We have revealed to you as We revealed to Nuh, and the prophets after him, and We revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and Isa and Ayub and Yunus and Haroun and Sulaiman and We gave to Dawood
This passage informs us that God sent;
the Quran through Muhammad,
and that this same God also sent at the very least the following writtings of the Bible;
the Torah through Moses,
the Gospel through Jesus,
the Psalms through David,
the book of Job,
the book of Jonah.
If we accept this as true because it is God's Word and His word cannot be "changed" by Him (Sura 6: 115, and 10: 65) then we must also accept that the following is true.
"there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah." (sura 6: 34)
Sura 6:34 three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
YUSUFALI: Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers.
PICKTHAL: Messengers indeed have been denied before thee, and they were patient under the denial and the persecution till Our succour reached them. There is none to alter the decisions of Allah. Already there hath reached thee (somewhat) of the tidings of the messengers (We sent before).
SHAKIR: And certainly messengers before you were rejected, but they were patient on being rejected and persecuted until Our help came to them; and there is none to change the words of Allah, and certainly there has come to you some information about the messengers.
Conclusion One:
The Quran is the Word of God, it was spoken by Muhammad, but the words were given to him by the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, , therefore the Quran is the Word of God.
These words cannot be changed because the time of all revelation has now ceased with the death of Muhammad, and as Muhammad is the Last Prophet the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, will send, there can never be any change to the Quran.
Now here is the problem that I find in this, as I see it:
If All of the Above is true, then it is also true that;
the Torah through Moses,
the Gospel through Jesus,
the Psalms through David,
the book of Job,
the book of Jonah.
are also the Word of God.
Sura 4: 163 says of Muhammad that
"We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to ..."
Sura 4:163 three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
YUSUFALI: We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms.
PICKTHAL: Lo! We inspire thee as We inspired Noah and the prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as We imparted unto David the Psalms;
SHAKIR: Surely We have revealed to you as We revealed to Nuh, and the prophets after him, and We revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and Isa and Ayub and Yunus and Haroun and Sulaiman and We gave to Dawood
This tells us that the inspiration that Muhammad recieved was the same as that which God had previously given to Moses, Jesus (Yeshua), David, Job, Jonah and others.
Therefore as this is the same inspiration, these prophets also received the Word of God. How then can there be any error in anything that they received?
Surely there cannot be any corruption, change or mistakes because the Quran also tells us;
"there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah." (sura 6: 34)
Sura 6:34 three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
YUSUFALI: Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers.
PICKTHAL: Messengers indeed have been denied before thee, and they were patient under the denial and the persecution till Our succour reached them. There is none to alter the decisions of Allah. Already there hath reached thee (somewhat) of the tidings of the messengers (We sent before).
SHAKIR: And certainly messengers before you were rejected, but they were patient on being rejected and persecuted until Our help came to them; and there is none to change the words of Allah, and certainly there has come to you some information about the messengers.
"None can change His words:" (sura 6: 115).
Sura 6:115 three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
YUSUFALI: The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.
PICKTHAL: Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. There is naught that can change His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.
SHAKIR: And the word of your Lord has been accomplished truly and justly; there is none who can change His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
"no change can there be in the words of Allah." (sura 10: 64)
Sura 10:64 three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
YUSUFALI: For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity.
PICKTHAL: Theirs are good tidings in the life of the world and in the Hereafter - There is no changing the Words of Allah - that is the Supreme Triumph.
SHAKIR: They shall have good news in this world's life and in the hereafter; there is no changing the words of Allah; that is the mighty achievement.
So then is the Word of God as given to Moses any different,
"We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers," (Sura 2:87).
Sura 2:87 three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
YUSUFALI: We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!
PICKTHAL: And verily We gave unto Moses the Scripture and We caused a train of messengers to follow after him, and We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs (of Allah's sovereignty), and We supported him with the Holy spirit. Is it ever so, that, when there cometh unto you a messenger (from Allah) with that which ye yourselves desire not, ye grow arrogant, and some ye disbelieve and some ye slay?
SHAKIR: And most certainly We gave Musa the Book and We sent messengers after him one after another; and We gave Isa, the son of Marium, clear arguments and strengthened him with the holy spirit, What! whenever then a messenger came to you with that which your souls did not desire, you were insolent so you called some liars and some you slew.
If God gave Moses the Torah and God's word cannot be changed, then the charge of corruption of the word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, must be wrong because,
"there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah." (sura 6: 34)
Sura 6:34 three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
YUSUFALI: Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers.
PICKTHAL: Messengers indeed have been denied before thee, and they were patient under the denial and the persecution till Our succour reached them. There is none to alter the decisions of Allah. Already there hath reached thee (somewhat) of the tidings of the messengers (We sent before).
SHAKIR: And certainly messengers before you were rejected, but they were patient on being rejected and persecuted until Our help came to them; and there is none to change the words of Allah, and certainly there has come to you some information about the messengers.
Conclusion Two:
The Quran says that God gave Moses the Book, it is God's word, it is not the word of Moses, it is the Word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is,
The Quran also states that no person is able to change any Word or Decree of God..
Therefore the Torah must be and remain extant, it must be uncorrupted, unchanged.
The same must also be true of the other writings that the Quran mentions, for the inspiration is the same, the manner of communication is the same (Books).
Therefore these also must be the Word of God, about which the Quran says,
"there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah." (sura 6: 34)
Sura 6:34 three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
YUSUFALI: Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers.
PICKTHAL: Messengers indeed have been denied before thee, and they were patient under the denial and the persecution till Our succour reached them. There is none to alter the decisions of Allah. Already there hath reached thee (somewhat) of the tidings of the messengers (We sent before).
SHAKIR: And certainly messengers before you were rejected, but they were patient on being rejected and persecuted until Our help came to them; and there is none to change the words of Allah, and certainly there has come to you some information about the messengers.
"None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all," (Sura 6:115).
Sura 6:115 in three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
YUSUFALI: The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.
PICKTHAL: Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. There is naught that can change His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.
SHAKIR: And the word of your Lord has been accomplished truly and justly; there is none who can change His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
Conclusion Three:
If any one holds the Quran to be 100% the infallible Word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, and they believe that Old middle eastern celestial Moon god, "Allah," is YHWH, then there is no corruption within the mentioned biblical books.
There can be no corruption or alteration, for the Quran states that God gave these prophets the books, the Quran states that no one can change God's Word.
Therefore to say that there is corruption in the word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, to say that any of these have been changed is to say that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, has lied, and that the Quran is wrong when it sates that God gave these prophets Books which are the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, His word and cannot be changed.
But that is blasphemy in Muslim circles, that is slander against Muhammad, the Quran and God!!
The Truth therefore must be,
That the error is in the claim of corruption and alteration of Old middle eastern celestial Moon god, "Allah's” word? Which has been shown before is also the conclusion of some Muslim scholars,
Muhammad 'Abduh (Egypt) - the charge of corruption:
... makes no sense at all. It would not have been possible for Jews and Christians everywhere to agree on changing the text. Even if those in Arabia had done it, the difference between their book and those of their brothers, let us say in Syria or Europe, would have been obvious.
Mawlawi Muhammad Sa'id (Pakistan):
Some Muslims imagine that the Injil is corrupted. But... not even one among all the verses of the Quran mentions that the Injil or Tawrat is corrupted... it is written that the Jews -... not the Christians... alter the meaning of the passages from the Tawrat while they are explaining them. At least the Christians are completely exonerated from this charge. Hence the Injil is not corrupted and the Tawrat is not corrupted...
Sayyid Ahmad Husayn Shawkat Mirthi:
The ordinary Muslim people...believe through hearsay...that the Injil is corrupted, even though they cannot indicate what passage was corrupted, when it was corrupted, and who corrupted it. Is there any religious community...whose lot is so miserable that they would shred their heavenly Book with their own hands...? To say that God has taken the Injil and the Tawrat into heaven and has abrogated them is to defame and slander God...
As this is the only possible logical conclusion that does not deny the Quran or Muhammad. Then this is the error.
Thus every Muslim must today begin reading and studying the Bible for the full knowledge and teaching of the Lord God Almighty. Just as they must also desist with the denial of the Quran and Muhammad, the Bible and all the prophets.[this work draws heavily on the work of Malcomite].
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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